{"id":46,"date":"2020-04-28T13:28:00","date_gmt":"2020-04-28T13:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/uncategorized\/page-16-timing-chain-or-timing-belt\/"},"modified":"2020-04-28T13:28:00","modified_gmt":"2020-04-28T13:28:00","slug":"page-16-timing-chain-or-timing-belt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/reactionless\/page-16-timing-chain-or-timing-belt\/","title":{"rendered":"Page 16, Timing Chain or Timing Belt?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<div><b>April 28, 2020 (To Chain or To Belt, That Is The Question)<\/b><o:p><\/o:p><\/div>\n<div><b><br \/><\/b><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">Since identifying the need to eliminate the belt-slip\/speed-variation problem and because I want two flexplate assemblies synchronized and both turning CW, either a roller chain or a toothed belt has<\/span><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">&nbsp;to be used.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">The dilemma was in deciding which would be better.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">I really like roller chains because they are a very forgiving utilitarian design which will work in the harshest conditions, even if not perfectly tight or aligned. The downside is that they are heavy, noisy &amp; require regular lubrication.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">I like toothed belts (t-belts) because they eliminate the downsides of a roller chain, i.e. they are light, quiet and do not require lubrication. The t-belt downside is that they are rather \u201cfinicky\u201d, they need to be well aligned, tight and clean.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">&nbsp;<\/span>After much consideration, I am installing a&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">toothed&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">timing belt for this prototype. If it proves to be too troublesome it will be replaced with roller chain &amp; matching sprockets.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">I have several used belts that were changed only for maintenance purposes and they have a rather common 8-M pitch, and I have some sprocket pullies for them, but the pullies would need extensive rework to fit my application. Because this is really a prototype, I decided to fabricate my own t-belt sprocket teeth on the existing flat pullies. This was pretty simple as the pulley circumference of 3\u201d was almost perfect, &amp; 1\/8\u201d rod is a nearly perfect fit to use as teeth for the sprockets.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">I used a piece of timing belt as a guide and simply welded the teeth into place on each end.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-QPpe_LUlaCk\/XqgfmEyDsPI\/AAAAAAAALos\/Cuj_TMxaC30T5wwouMPNqR6_S8Bx-XI9ACLcBGAsYHQ\/s1600\/Ready%2Bfor%2Bclean%2Bup%2B1.jpg\" style=\"clear: right; display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" data-original-height=\"1600\" data-original-width=\"1200\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-QPpe_LUlaCk\/XqgfmEyDsPI\/AAAAAAAALos\/Cuj_TMxaC30T5wwouMPNqR6_S8Bx-XI9ACLcBGAsYHQ\/s200\/Ready%2Bfor%2Bclean%2Bup%2B1.jpg\" width=\"150\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-sPUxxWFoFeg\/XqgfWiAn4tI\/AAAAAAAALoo\/RJi2pXYABzIUAdJqJ0B7u8xkq0sQy0WLwCLcBGAsYHQ\/s1600\/Belt%2Bas%2Btooth%2Bguide%2B1.jpg\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" data-original-height=\"1600\" data-original-width=\"1200\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-sPUxxWFoFeg\/XqgfWiAn4tI\/AAAAAAAALoo\/RJi2pXYABzIUAdJqJ0B7u8xkq0sQy0WLwCLcBGAsYHQ\/s200\/Belt%2Bas%2Btooth%2Bguide%2B1.jpg\" width=\"150\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-vBradY8v7WI\/XqghwbnVHGI\/AAAAAAAALo8\/Xz92he6VCm4tkLu-GDnHaWloS85uUgvKgCLcBGAsYHQ\/s1600\/Motor%2Bwith%2Bnew%2Bsprocket%2B1.jpg\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" data-original-height=\"1600\" data-original-width=\"1200\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-vBradY8v7WI\/XqghwbnVHGI\/AAAAAAAALo8\/Xz92he6VCm4tkLu-GDnHaWloS85uUgvKgCLcBGAsYHQ\/s200\/Motor%2Bwith%2Bnew%2Bsprocket%2B1.jpg\" width=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-ljhTr36q27M\/XqgiVbzXTVI\/AAAAAAAALpM\/Xc9fGJrFbuAsgyTolnCt0TdPXJY_aLtbgCEwYBhgL\/s1600\/Motor%2B%2526%2BTensioner%2B1.jpg\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" data-original-height=\"1200\" data-original-width=\"1600\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-ljhTr36q27M\/XqgiVbzXTVI\/AAAAAAAALpM\/Xc9fGJrFbuAsgyTolnCt0TdPXJY_aLtbgCEwYBhgL\/s200\/Motor%2B%2526%2BTensioner%2B1.jpg\" width=\"200\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-jxEntkXBXFM\/XqgicnjvyII\/AAAAAAAALpQ\/WR1ZWppDzmEfI661PwRGyLwHg5oElmcwACEwYBhgL\/s1600\/T-belt%2BTop%2BView%2B1.jpg\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" data-original-height=\"1200\" data-original-width=\"1600\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-jxEntkXBXFM\/XqgicnjvyII\/AAAAAAAALpQ\/WR1ZWppDzmEfI661PwRGyLwHg5oElmcwACEwYBhgL\/s200\/T-belt%2BTop%2BView%2B1.jpg\" width=\"200\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">Alignment of the pullies is a bit challenging, but it works pretty well.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">With slightly out-of -round sprocket pullies &amp; without a truly solid framework, there is deflection in the axles &amp; motor mounting that causes the belt to slack off and snap back tight, so I installed a belt tensioner on the slack side of the belt between the motor &amp; load.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; line-height: 107%;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif; font-size: 14.6667px;\">The T-belt works well, and now the rotational speed is MUCH steadier.&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">This has completely eliminated the&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif; font-size: 14.6667px;\">belt slippage I experienced previously<\/span><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif; font-size: 11pt;\">&nbsp;which was caused by the intermittent torque load.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; line-height: 107%;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"line-height: 107%;\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">I purposely started this T-belt testing with the flexplates in sync so that it would put excessive pulsing strain on the motor drive, and it has proven to be capable of handling the pulsing variations in load quite successfully. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">The better it works, the more mechanical faults become evident, that is why this slow progression is absolutely necessary. If I started out with a reactionless drive unit that functioned perfectly, how would I ever understand all the things that make it work, and the things that will stop it from working? <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">#3 on the To-Do List\u2026 Done\u2026 But now an additional To-Do&#8230;<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">The updated \u201cTo Do\u201d list: <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">1- A better locking mechanism for the sun gears to the axles. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">2- A way to vary the sun gear timing by adjusting axle position.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><s><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">3- A different drive system from the motor to the plates, maybe a double-sided timing belt or a roller chain drive.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/s><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">4- Explore the possibility of having sun &amp; planet gears on both sides of the plates.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\">5- Mount in a motor vehicle for road testing.<\/span><span style=\"font-family: &quot;calibri&quot; , sans-serif;\"><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt;\">6- Change <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14.6667px;\">synchronization<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt;\">&nbsp;of CW turning plates to reduce pulsation.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><br \/><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><object contentid=\"b2666a1992b57d40\" height=\"266\" width=\"320\"><\/object><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt;\">Here is a first test run video with the motor running on low speed and the unit not being allowed to move.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: &quot;times&quot; , &quot;times new roman&quot; , serif;\"><br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>April 28, 2020 (To Chain or To Belt, That Is The Question) Since identifying the need to eliminate the belt-slip\/speed-variation problem and because I want two flexplate assemblies synchronized and both turning CW, either a roller chain or a toothed belt has&nbsp;to be used. The dilemma was in deciding which would be better. I really &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/reactionless\/page-16-timing-chain-or-timing-belt\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Page 16, Timing Chain or Timing Belt?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13,10,14,15,11,3,5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-46","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-brandson-roy-thornson","category-grassroots-mechanic-movement","category-hybrid","category-plug-in-hybrid","category-propulsion","category-reactionless","category-reactionless-propulsion"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=46"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=46"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=46"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stclairtech.tech\/grassrootsmechanicmovement\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=46"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}